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This is Hart Morgan and this is Program PM.

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I'm not very obedient and not very servile either but Bob Roeb is along here and it's

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going to be servile to the extent of answering your questions along with Earl Neth, our Uphology

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Investigator.

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Now, I thought we would kind of set the stage for things tonight with that, I call it space-type

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music because as I understand it, there has been a space setting and we'll get into that

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in just a moment.

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First let me ask, does it always do anything new in the way of outer spaceology?

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Earl, how's it been going?

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Well, I learned of something today that looked pretty good and when I checked it out I found

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it was one of those fraud phonies, the hoaxes, a party called the report center and from

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all appearances it was on the level and then I double checked it and found the whole thing

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was a fraud.

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So those are the things you must be very careful of and we always go to great trouble to check

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them into double-check.

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You don't just accept it on Facebook.

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Not at all.

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Someone says, I saw something purple up there, you do bother checking it out.

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Right, this was just a crackpot.

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Well, as a matter of fact, a number of things have come by our way, some very delightful

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erudite-informed letters have been sent to us as most of them, in fact, just about all

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of them always are.

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We have, I want to thank first of all an armed forces man who feels that secrecy must be

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preserved if the objects are of the United States military nature.

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And he had a good point that letter was.

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Yes, that was an excellent point, of course, his name is not to be mentioned as he requested.

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I wish also to thank John Spanton who wrote us, he is near Buffalo and listening this

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evening.

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Hello to him.

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We appreciate your very technical letter and I will correspond with you as you suggested

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and hope in there.

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I want to thank also the Reverend Carlos Sparks from Tennessee and so far as a citizens band

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network relating to UFO, our range would be far too short and of course the time element

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of talking between stations would be restricted to five minutes which just wouldn't be enough.

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I think Bob, this brings up a very big point that I've been noticing the past few weeks

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and that is that the mail that we've been getting on this UFO round table on program

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PM has been coming in I think from much farther afield than anything that I've experienced

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before on PM during the course of the last year and a half.

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People have been commenting about and writing us their comments on the UFO round table from

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all over the South, from all over New York Pennsylvania so wherever you are listening,

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believe me, we're interested in not only the fact that you are listening but also in your

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reaction to the program.

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We apologize you round table on program PM, let us hear from you wherever you are.

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We haven't heard yet from Alaska have we?

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No, that's one that we've missed although we've heard most of this side of the United States.

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I wonder if we can beam up that way.

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Earl, you had some questions?

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Well, I wish to thank those who sent me season's greetings.

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Quite a few mentioned that they're interested in the series of programs that KYW is putting on here.

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And I personally would like to thank you, Harve and KYW, for permitting Bob and myself to tell this listening audience

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and it certainly is a great listening audience, judging from the response and from the areas from which we hear,

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for permitting us to put on this series of what we believe is a very important subject,

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the subject of UFOs and identify fine entries.

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I received, Earl, let me just kind of, because this being the beginning of the new year,

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I think that I would be lacking in my duties if I didn't go above and beyond something we've been doing.

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All of the fellows here on KYW have been wishing everybody out there a happy new year and all.

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I think we should go beyond that, especially on this program.

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Everybody here, happy new year, and to all of you up there, if you are up there, we do wish you a happy new year.

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Oh, I wonder if they have the same calendar. Well, I don't know.

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Anyway, let's get down here.

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Let me check this though, before we go too much further.

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We have some calls on the line. I'd like to take one or two of those,

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and then we're going to explore this unidentified flying object that was cited yesterday.

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I will tell you more about that in just a moment, but first let's do have a couple of questions here.

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What's yours, please?

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John, go ahead.

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Professor Charles A. Meany in a 1956 article published by the Flying Salsa Review.

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These people, they ask questions by golly. They've got sources, haven't they?

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Go ahead.

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I can't hear you.

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He appealed to readers, to attend to researchers for analysis of angel hair.

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Has any definite analysis been carried out to our knowledge?

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Go ahead.

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And if not, in a future recurrence, would it not be possible to get some of this substance called angel hair

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into a test tube before it dissolves and find out what it's all about?

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Well, let's find out. We've talked about angel hair before. Any comments on that?

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Charles Meany is the professor at the Science College, as I think we've mentioned before, on the air.

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I'd like to get him on the program, by the way.

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I'd like very much to call him some evening, if you would, with your permission.

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The angel hair has on numerous occasions been picked up.

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And I remember one evening mentioning a friend of mine some years ago had gotten some downstate.

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That was when so much of it had been festooned from the wires, the telegraph wires.

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And the Air Force later said it was a certain spider, had been working very hard in producing these webs.

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But the angel hair, when it's collected, doesn't last very long, either in your hands or in a bottle.

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What is very long?

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Well, it would only perhaps be just barely long enough to get it to a laboratory.

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It does leave your hands green, or anything it touches.

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But the physicist told me that he thought it was ionized air.

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Bob, any comment on this?

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This very well sums it up, as Earl has explained.

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This is the man that's going to create the seventh dimension or something.

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He goes into about twelve.

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Oh, this little contraption that you showed me one time, he was going to turn it around and create what?

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Oh, there was artificial gravity field generators.

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And we can go on and on and on and on.

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And we can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

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And we can go into quite a lengthy discussion.

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We did one night.

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We'll probably do it again on request.

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Okay, thank you for calling. Let's take one more call.

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Program PM, what's your question, please?

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You're referring to Major Keel's book, where he stated that the saucers were recorded on radar.

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They were recorded making ninety degree turns.

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Go ahead.

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At approximately five to nine thousand miles an hour.

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He was talking with a friend where you work.

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And he said to make a ninety degree turn at the speed that we mentioned, five thousand to nine thousand miles.

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This would be enough pressure to split an atom.

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And your question would be then, if this is possible, as stated,

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would there be an explosion if this ninety degree turn took place?

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Go ahead.

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And there'd be a force of approximately sixteen million G's,

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which is just about impossible for any matter to survive something like that.

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Oh, you'd like to defend about both these? Let's find out.

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I have seen on several occasions UFOs making ninety degree turns,

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not at the speeds you just mentioned, but I do know that they do the impossible to us, at least.

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Dr. Herman Obrinth claims that the reason they could do what they are doing

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is the fact that they are not only moving themselves through space,

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but with them, around them, they are surrounding themselves with these atmospheres, whatever you might wish to call them.

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In other words, you oftentimes do not even hear them because they're surrounded with...

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The best thing I can call it is atmosphere.

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Creating their own atmosphere for the better.

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Creating their own.

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Negate hours.

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Negate hours is correct.

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Would not then this atmosphere in turn, because it is made up of atoms,

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would not this atmosphere in turn then be subject to this pressure?

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This is the idea of the tremendous...

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This is a function of momentum, not a function of the atmosphere through which the object itself is traversing.

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And anything, regardless whether it has its own atmospheric pressure or not,

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making a right angle turn with relation to a gravitational field,

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with relation to a linear trajectory, is going to experience tremendous change in momentum

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and a tremendous impact of momentum.

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that it is the momentum itself, the idea that to the saucer itself or the object itself,

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there has been no change in direction.

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And this again, the term field with relation to...

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Well, that's probably one of the most abused terms in the entire vernacular of UFO research is field.

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But field indicates some invisible force mechanism surrounding.

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And it has been suggested that the force fields that do surround UFOs possibly

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can produce a cushioning effect on these right angle turns.

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I can see a guy going through this, and since the pressure would destroy his atmosphere that he's carrying with him,

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zooming along, just lost our atmosphere, fellas, go back and pick it up.

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But I might say this hard, that explosions are by no means unknown in the field of UFOs.

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And it is entirely possible and conceivable that there are times when they do certain things

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that, like mentioned just on the phone, that would cause the explosion,

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because many times they have exploded.

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Let me check now. Thank you very much for calling. Very good question.

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Let's talk now about this flying object that was sighted last night before we run into a livy out of time.

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Bob, could you place that call in while we...

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Okay, we'll do.

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As just a very brief review, this object was seen, of course, in the Ravenna area last night,

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approximately a little after 7.30, and the Ackerman Beacon Journal had it reported.

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KYW carried immediately the report over radio on you.

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And we're going to place the call now, then I'll go in.

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You're going to call George Popovich?

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Use line 4-0 if you will, okay?

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Okay, yep.

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Now, what do you know about this thing that was sighted last night?

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Well, George Popovich, who by the way is the director of the Acron UFO Research Committee,

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and a very fine investigator has been for years.

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Reliable?

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Very, very reliable.

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He called me at my home just before I left the station tonight, and I told him to call here.

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Well, he got the call through before I arrived.

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But beyond what Bob just mentioned here from the news wires, I couldn't fill you in.

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I do know that he is perhaps by now, that is, I mean, Bob, George, is perhaps by now at the home of the people who witnessed this.

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Now, George himself did not see the flight.

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I do not believe so, but George, like the rest of us, frequently gets the calls from here, there, and everywhere,

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and I presume that's what happened in this case.

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Incidentally, while we were waiting, might I say that I received an interesting letter from a former Air Force man,

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and I just spoke with him on the phone a moment ago and asked if he objected to my using his name.

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So, right.

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Alan Manek called, wrote me a bit, a short note, and in this, with this note, he has this information that I think is quite interesting.

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Paul Ziates, of Emory Drive in Cleveland on the evening of December 1st, 1962, about 9.15 p.m.

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relates this, a group of friends and myself were playing football in the backyards between Angle and Groce Drive.

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As we were leaving, I saw the ground reflecting a very bright white light.

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It looked as if someone had turned on a giant fluorescent light above us.

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And, certainly, I had a warm sensation, whether it was from the light or a reaction within my body,

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when I realized that the light might be extraterrestrial.

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I do not know.

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I turned around to see where the light was coming from.

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I looked up and saw a bright flash of light.

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It looked as if the object was moving across the sky and exploded.

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From what I could make out, in the very short time, I saw the light.

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It was moving north to south over the eastern sky.

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There was no sound whatsoever accompanying the light.

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After the disappearance of the light, everything got dark again,

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and there was no trace of any object or debris falling from the light.

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At the time that this report was made, a very detailed account of it,

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by the way, has gone to NiCAP in Washington,

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I received many other statements, and I was watching TV at the time,

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and the TV was full of snow.

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It never acted quite that badly, and this was at a NASA man's home.

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We were watching it.

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So this then would seem to lead one to believe that there is something to this particular sighting on December 24th.

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I have quite a few reports on it.

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I hoped at the time to tell them, but time did not permit.

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Okay, now let me knock another report in the teeth.

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We have been getting a lot of calls, Earl has, and Bob has, I know,

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about a report of a sighting over Saskatchewan on the evening of December 24th.

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That was a week ago this past Monday.

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Now, people said, well, it was done in all seriousness, and I said, yes,

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there was a sighting of an unidentified flying object December 24th reported on KYW-TV.

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Well, just to set the matter straight, this is true in a way,

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but since after so much love at night, and I think most children are in bed,

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let's just report that this was not the kind of view that we're concerned with on this program.

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The report that Dick Goddard made was a true report.

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There was an object over Saskatchewan headed toward the Cleveland area that night,

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but it was nothing more than Santa Claus and his reindeer.

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And Dick Goddard, in all seriousness, truthfully reported it.

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And don't you ever try to tell Dick Goddard that there's not a Santa Claus or an Easter Bunny, for that matter.

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All right, now we're going to get this report.

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Bob, is it all set up?

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Yes, on the line right now, we have Mr. George Popovich, whom we've already introduced a moment ago.

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He will introduce the gentleman who made this sighting as we pick up a line for him.

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Okay, let me just check on George.

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Yes.

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This is Mark Morgan.

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Just to get this straight, did you see the...

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No, I'm not.

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No, I'm only investigating.

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You have the people there ready to talk to you.

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Yes, Mr. Carl Rice.

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Okay, go ahead.

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What's this new thing?

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Um, throughout the...

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cars, and can I on?

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Yes.

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Well, I have with me tonight Mr. Carl Rice that he and his wife and two other persons had adhered what I had labeled as a UFO.

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And this occurred last evening at approximately around 6pm at the Revano, Ohio.

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So, I would like to have you talk with Mr. Carl Rice, one of the observers.

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Hello.

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Mr. Rice?

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Hello.

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Mr. Rice, could you describe in detail just exactly what you saw?

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Now, what time was this again, you said?

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About 10 minutes and 6.

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10 minutes and 6.

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What did you see?

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Well, I saw bright light and it was still...

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the light and the proof light was like a stone, well, one by generation, light bulb.

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And it was just still in there.

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Just still a minimum going home up to 1pm or so, about a 1.5pm or so.

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And then, I was about, I was about 44 and we got closer to it.

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It was still still, it was still standing still and then the light went off.

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Then the light came back on again, went out again.

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How long did this fan still last?

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Well, approximately, I'd say about 15 minutes or so.

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And then again, by going, well, it didn't come back on as I could see.

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Then, check, red light came on and it was talking in the 6th up.

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Now, I could see an excessive shape and it showed that one light back there,

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it was turning in the 6th turn and it was back, it was in the southeast.

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And it turned from yellow in the beginning to a red light, right?

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Yes, there was a difference in light that I could make out.

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Is this conceivable? This is at Virginia.

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Is it firmly hidden around there?

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About the hidden areas?

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Well, it is right behind there, hidden in there on top.

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Do you want to think you'll open up as the gravity side?

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You might think it is, and I'm just asking, in the realm of conceivability,

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is it conceivable that this could have been what you saw over there,

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headlights, parking, and then this would give the yellow effect through a haze

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that was going to fog you that night, that I might be driving home.

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And then later, the car might have turned around, backed up, and gone off nail and wrecked,

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and which one is feeling near their tail right?

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Is this problem?

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This is in there, this is right over top right here.

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Could have been on a high hill somewhere.

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No, no, no, no.

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Move your report this too.

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Do you report it to the Air Force?

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No, I report it to the Rec.Cary and the Red Band and they report it to the National Security Service.

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All right, right now, let me, because I know that Bob Reubenhall left

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and probably had some questions of investigating nature that they would like to ask.

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So let me turn you over right now to Bob Reubenhall for any questions that he might have.

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Mr. Reubenhall, it's okay, fine.

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Good evening, Mr. Reubenhall.

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Okay, why do I have, this is, the part I missed is how much overhand, for example,

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that this thing go, did it, behind the trajectory,

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maybe the overhater was pretty much in the horizon?

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Well, I don't think that, that's a word, it's a word for a technical term, you know.

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Yeah, that was just about it, we're here.

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Well, I would rule out anything being in there, but yeah, let's take this one back.

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No, no, no, no.

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Did you hear any noise?

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No, I didn't hear any noise of anything.

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Okay, did you notice any interference with any radio, any lighting, anything like that?

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No, we haven't seen the interference of all things, I think.

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At the Baylor Dragon.

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At the Baylor Dragon.

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Nothing undo, nothing unusual, it was an actual physical effect, you know, absolutely.

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Okay, hang on, roll up, pass this over now to Earl Ness.

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Good evening, Mr. Reubenhall.

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Good evening, Mr. Reubenhall.

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That was Earl Ness, David.

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Bob, pretty much covered it, I did want to ask you one question, however.

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Was there a pulsation, did you know this?

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A what?

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A pulsation of light, did the light seem to pulse?

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No, no.

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The light, it was constant?

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It was constant.

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It was constant?

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Yes.

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By sea.

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How about the red and white light?

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The red being at the upper part, perhaps?

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Well, I might not be able to see the red screen or not.

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I see, in other words, it interchanged.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much, I'm going to turn you back to hard market.

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Yes.

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Mr. Rice, this makes me feel like a lawyer, I talk, but whether any collaborator and

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witness is on this, anyone seen with you?

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No, it was a good man, Greg, that the farm, Verdonall and Wittmey, after I had a farm,

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had me on this top and see about that, he was wrong with me.

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And then John Compton, which was the one that made you own my employees.

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And it's been three people, so it's the same thing, you all agree on what you saw?

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And the light spot, and the window, but all she saw was the white light, and she

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didn't pay much attention to it, she thought it was an awful bright star, but that was

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really good light.

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Is that a fairly populated area out there?

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Well, it's a little bit like a far less place.

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No, it says it's fairly populated, with people out there.

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Oh, yes.

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Can you read it in any way about here else?

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Also, witnessing this phenomenon?

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No, I haven't, I've read.

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Well, perhaps someone hearing us talk about it tonight has assumed that, and I hope it's

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not the power of suggestion working on them, if you have, call us at 241-567, we'd like

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to find out about it if we have time to get to your call before the program is off the

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speaker there.

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So now, do you intend to tell the Air Force about this, Mr. Rice?

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Well, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I should be able to.

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If you do, and I wish you would, would you let us get back with you next week, and

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find out what their reaction has been to your report?

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Yes, we're ready.

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Would you do that?

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Well, I'm ready.

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And would you let the Air Force know about it then?

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Well, I'll talk.

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Okay, let me ask Earl about it.

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Who should he call at the Air Force to notify them about this?

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What would be the nearest place to call?

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Well, Ray Patterson and Ray Patterson would be your best.

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Yes, either Major Lieutenant Colonel Green, perhaps would be the best.

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Well, isn't that a gentleman we talked to?

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I've been friend, I beg your pardon, or Colonel Green.

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Colonel Green or...

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Which one were we hearing on the program at that time?

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That was friend, I believe.

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Friend, yes.

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All right, and I call Lieutenant Colonel Friend at the Rice-Patterson Air Force Base.

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Lieutenant Colonel Friend.

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Okay.

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What a major.

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That's Inviteen, and I'd be very interested to find out his comments.

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All right?

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What call, please?

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Lieutenant Colonel Friend.

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Oh?

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Friend, yes.

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That's Ray Patterson Air Force Base.

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Well, that's Don Degen.

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Okay?

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Thank you very much, Mr. Rice.

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Appreciate your comments.

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Oh, well.

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I'll let you follow around, table.

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All right.

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Well, I'd like to find out more about that.

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Probably by next week we'll have quite a beauty to present on the air, on whatever happens

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on this air.

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I'm looking forward to the information coming in.

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Maybe we can get something in other two, four, one, two, five, six, three, seven, if anyone

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has heard about that.

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Let me take one more telephone question here.

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This people have been hanging on very closely.

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Can you stand by, please?

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Program PM, this is the U-Pollegy Roundtable.

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What's your question, please?

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What's your question?

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Go ahead.

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Why won't the Air Force tell all they know?

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And if it's from a higher kind of human being, why won't somebody let the public know?

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Well, I think this is a question that really can't be answered.

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So I won't present it to our investigators here.

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We've learned it before.

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We don't know why.

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There are those that say the Air Force is telling all that they do know.

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Most people, certainly those Bob and Earl, I don't think agree with that.

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But thank you for calling anyway.

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Program PM, your question, please.

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Are there any special times when the UFOs are sighted in this area?

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Has this been mostly in the U-Pollegy?

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No.

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The only thing I can say there is that night, naturally, anything that's bright in the sky

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is going to be more visible than it is in the daytime.

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But actually, as far as sightings are concerned, I have seen as many in the daytime as I have

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at night, and I think that would be universally accepted.

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I'm going to go over.

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Let me put a twist on this question.

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Are there more sightings when the moon is full?

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No.

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I'm serious.

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I'm serious, are there?

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You know, you talk to bartenders and you will say, oh boy, I've read those full moon nights.

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You've got some real weirdos in here.

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Well, actually, a full moon night is not the best night to look for UFOs because it's too bright.

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There's too much glare at the same time.

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Yes.

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I'd much rather look on a night when there is not a full moon.

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There are other things doing a full moon night.

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Apparently, the actual time of day has little to do with it, though, except at night you can see the night.

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Okay.

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Thank you for calling.

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And we just have a couple minutes left.

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Earl, I think there's something you wanted to comment on.

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Well, I wanted to say that of getting back to the letters and comments, a Doug Kenny, who was traveling in Pennsylvania in the mountains, said that on his car radio he was catching last week's broadcast very clearly.

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And then I received a letter.

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I don't know how these people get my name or a correct address, but it gets to me from a Timothy Green Beckley from New Brunswick, New Jersey.

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He starts, but I'll just read this first line.

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This is justice, short letter, to let you know I enjoyed very much listening to you on K-Y-W-S-P-M show last night.

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And then he writes this full letter, which is very interesting.

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Another letter I received from a Bill Engle says, I heard your broadcast and was impressed with the arguments you gave in behalf of the existence of flying saucers.

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I haven't given much thought to them since the fur died down.

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I presume he means back in 1947.

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I have read some of the major keyhole's writings and I have an open mind on the subject.

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There has been much confusion involved with the reports of unidentified objects every time a sighting is made.

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There is an instant clamoring of ridicule and denials.

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It has seemed to me that the extent to which the derriers go to cast doubt on the reports adds credence to the claims.

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I'm not intelligent enough to understand complex matters, so I've taken a sort of agnostic stand.

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I don't know for sure.

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Therefore, I can form no opinion until I find out.

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And so on and so forth and signed the Bill Engle.

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We just got out of time now, unfortunately.

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This is always the case.

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Bob, any final comments?

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Yes, I'd like to wish some fellows in Toledo, Phil, or Bansky's group best of luck in their new UFO organization.

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I have some other many other questions which I have been unable to get to.

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Let me sum up by saying that we will answer these questions next week on the air that were directed personally to our group.

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Plus the fact that naturally here at 241-5637, both Earl and myself will be very happy to answer questions as they come in after program time.

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We'll both be here next week to follow up on this very recent UFO sighting, as well as some more of the letters which I'm sure will continue to come in.

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No, because that number is 241-5637.

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You can still call and you can still get answers.

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Bob and Earl will both stick around to answer those questions for you.

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Thank you very much, Bob, Grove and Earl L. for joining me again on PM's UFOlogy realm table right back again at the same time.